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General Spaz Minmatar Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:42:00 - [1] Want to get rid of ISK selling? Instead of hosing people in game for hard earned money every time a large transaction is made... why not do this.. Everyone knows where the farmers are getting ISK, it's not some big secret to anyone that actually plays Eve. Maybe to CCP and the trolls it is, seems like they spend most of thier time on the forums or in Singularity creating bugs... at any rate, if they got into TQ and played the game they would quickly find out what everyone else already knows. Half the people you see in space are noob alts or ISK farmers. Ever been to an Ice belt in empire space? Ever been on a 60 jump roam through 0.0? Ever had these same oddly named characters convo you 5 hours later spamming ISK sales after you hunted their cloaked and safespotted Raven to no avail? If you've played Eve you have. Here's how you fix ISK selling. 1. Stop the macros, remove ICE belts in high sec, or make belts need to be found through exploration as previously mentioned. 2. Make attacking or being attacked by NPC's get you aggro so if you log or disconnect: your ship emergency warps but remains in space as if you had PvP aggro prior to disconnect. 3. Enable probers the ability to probe for non-covops cloaked vessels. 4. Make it so attacking a ship whose player has been disconnected still gets the ship aggro before or after emergency warp. So if you are lucky enough to target the ship after a decloak or after he lands in the warpout spot you can fire on him and set the 15 minute timer. These simple fixes would not only fix ISK farming on the highest levels, but also dishonest players. It would make honest players work better rewarded and 0.0 space would be a dangerous place to live in again.
General Spaz Minmatar Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.04.15 19:59:00 - [2] Edited by: General Spaz on 15/04/2008 20:00:22 Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby I think someone has been pew-pewing too much and hasn't looked at the market or how things are made... So, next time you wish to buy your T2 minnie ship and can't find any because the price of POS fuel went through the roof, don't whine on the forums. You DO realize that most of the T2 stuff you buy is built in HighSec using player-ran POSs, right? No Icefields == No Fuel, or very expensive fuel. Raise prices on things and it just makes it more likely that people will buy ISK to replace their losses. I also think you need to train "Comprehension Of Actions" to at least level 3, so that you understand that along with taking the ill-gotten ISK they also hit the farming operations that GOT that ISK and that trail leads to other buyers. Unless you already have "ISK Purchasing Power" to level 2 and have bought it yourself and don't want CCP to take yours, so you are instead recommending nerfing others in a plan which won't do anything... Yes, we have been pew-pewing, and yes we know how things are made. Where there is demand there will be supply, what will happen is the macro's will instead turn to mining regular ore in belts (which disapper, unlike the ice). This will make the low end mineral price go down and the price of ice raise. Ultimately it will make more work for the farmers... which raises the price of thier product (ISK), which means what? Less people will buy it. In turn, more actual people will join corporations and alliances to move to low-sec (a good thing) or 0.0 to mine the ice to reap the rewards. If they are in 0.0 or low sec, or in a corporation or alliance, they can be shot. This is one less source of revenue for farmers, but a way for real players to make ISK. As more people move from mining high end ores to mining ice, the high end mineral market will go up again and things will balance out. The only ones getting left in the cold are the macros. The 0.0 ratting ISK farmers are easily dealt with by my other suggestions. The only faucet left would be the mission farmers, to combat this, just move all level 4 agents to low sec, problem solved. The price of ISK from farmers skyrockets until they are out of business, low sec gets populated, piracy becomes a real career again, POS Spam decreases, and 0.0 becomes dangerous and lucrative again. Everyone wins.
General Spaz Minmatar Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:27:00 - [3] Actually I created this thread so I could pull out the real carebear corps who would disagree with everything i'm saying. That way I could have a few easy wardecs to pick from...
General Spaz Minmatar Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.04.15 21:09:00 - [4] Originally by: Abrazzar Why does this sound like some certain person is trying to wrap the 'boost lowsec', 'kill logoffski' and 'murder afk cloakers' topics into a heroic 'Fight RMT!!' cover to sell it more easily than the single topics? Isn't that intellectually dishonest? I guess you don't see how some of these problems are related? You dont have to agree with me to see that, all you have to do is play Eve.
General Spaz Minmatar Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.04.15 21:17:00 - [5] No, alts are part of a problem with Eve. Real people hiding behind alter-ego's to protect thier alter ego's... It's sad that people on the INTERNET still have issues doing things or stating thier opinions in public because they lack the testicular fortitude to be held accountable for their actions.
General Spaz Minmatar Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.04.15 21:45:00 - [6] Ok, so how then would you propose combatting this? Instead of "your idea's suck", you should try "your idea's suck... but this might work instead". At least that way you have offered something to a conversation and not just more dead weight. Fact is: Macro's are ISK farmers... whether these farmers are using the ISK for sale or just to fuel their playtime, they are still farming. Period. With that statement I think we can all agree that its unfair to the typical player. If CCP didn't care about fairness then they wouldn't actively pursue ISK sellers and buyers. While ice may not be the best source of farming... it is one of the easiest for them. Take away the ice from farmers first then find a way to take the regular ores away from the farmers as well, but leave it for real players. Either by making the belts non-static or even introducing a few triple BS spawns in Empire once in a great while . Lets see those perma running Small shield booster I's tank that for 20 minutes.
General Spaz Minmatar Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.04.15 21:46:00 - [7] Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby Edited by: Anaalys Fluuterby on 15/04/2008 21:38:30 Originally by: General Spaz No, alts are part of a problem with Eve. Real people hiding behind alter-ego's to protect thier alter ego's... It's sad that people on the INTERNET still have issues doing things or stating thier opinions in public because they lack the testicular fortitude to be held accountable for their actions. Funny comment coming from someone who's entire corp was founded by Alts and brag about it What's the name of that main? Added: Minmatar Mafia open for Business This is my main now, my "older" character is also in my corporation. I'll let you do some more investigative work to figure out which one it is.
General Spaz Minmatar Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:23:00 - [8] Actually I have spoken at length to people who have used macro's. You'd be surprised how simple it is to use and how complex the program is. For the sake of science we tried every way imaginable to make his macro fail, but it was futile, the program is just too good. The only thing that seems to work is Goon-style jihad, but then you have the chance of killing real people. So far we have agreed on 3 things. 1. Stop macro's 2. Fix logoffski 3. Allow non-covops to be probed somehow that is fair for all parties. In addition to that, hauler missions could be tweaked to become non-farmable, then only mission farmers would remain. And as far as I am concerned missions are enough work that even ISK sellers don't want to do it. Doing the first three things would probably drive these people out of business by default.
General Spaz Minmatar Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.04.15 23:17:00 - [9] Edited by: General Spaz on 15/04/2008 23:17:50 Tell me about it. But i'll bet we both got alot more money then they are getting.

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